QUOTE(Testudo @ Nov 7 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]9042[/snapback] "In the final analysis, though, it is a lot more equitable to spread the cost of the service to the many (whatever the equation) than to have each individual access for overnight site clients become a costly and complicated process -- which in the end amounts to no access for them at all. The rest of the hospitality industry seems to have grasped that a long time ago -- to make access easy but not to otherwise get into a seller-buyer relationship on the WIFI level that potentially brings them ill-will because of their inability to make good on a successful connection actually happening, anyway." ?????????? Are you by chance a politican?
QUOTE(Testudo @ Nov 7 2007, 04:33 PM) [snapback]9041[/snapback] QUOTE I repeat; there is no such thing as "Free" wifi. The only question is "Who is going to pay for it?" There are only 3 options: (1) The park will pay for it; (2) The users will pay for it; or (3) Everyone will pay for it, including those who don't use it. The concensus at least on this website seems to be let everyone pay for it whether they use it or not. I only want to provide what customers want. As I stated on another topic on this site, different people have different expectations. When all I camped with was a tent (up until just a couple of years ago), I pretty much was paying the way for all the big rigs under whose wheels I was just so much garbage to run over. Still... I went camping and I pretty much cheerfully paid the site fees (...subsidizing the big rigs; the kids on the playground none of which were mine; etc.). Now that I have a small RV, I feel like I'm getting more for my money -- money which I can now spread further afield because of my increased mobility. The question is, when it comes down to which campground I'm going to choose, the one with the free WIFI is going to prevail (all other things being about equal). I think it is wonderful that some RVers are so flush with cash that they can afford to spend hundreds of dollars a month for satellite connections and other premium internet services but I'm a lot less foolish with my money, by nature (I said I have a _small_ RV). Frankly, I'm willing to bet that most RVers (given a chance to analyze their income and expenses) would be more inclined to behave like me than to behave like there is no end to their supply of cash. The choice seems simple to me: a campground can have me (low impact, easygoing, and definatley not a whiner) for the couple of dollars of the cost of gratis WIFI, or, they can have a bunch of whiney high impact RVers complaining about everything from UFOs interfering with their reception to your dwindling utilities (...that _they_ themselves have sucked dry). Well, Testudo, I must be one of thos RVers that are "flush with cash" and are "foolish" with my money. I suppose I am also a "whiney high impact RVer" since I expect to pay for what I use, and use what I pay for. I am sorry that life has been so unfair to you that you could not afford more than a tent most of your life. I suppose I am also guilty of "sucking utilities dry" since we pay for, and use, 50 amps. There are some very good anger management specialists out there and you might..............
Well, Testudo, I must be one of thos RVers that are "flush with cash" and are "foolish" with my money. I suppose I am also a "whiney high impact RVer" since I expect to pay for what I use, and use what I pay for. I am sorry that life has been so unfair to you that you could not afford more than a tent most of your life. I suppose I am also guilty of "sucking utilities dry" since we pay for, and use, 50 amps. There are some very good anger management specialists out there and you might.............. [/quote] Me too, Me too !! BUT, I worked 30 years, averaging 10 hour days/6 days a week to do it !
Riggarob: How did you get by working so few hours and so few days? I worked more but, then, I was able to move out of our tent, into a travel trailer, and then a motorhome. Shame on me and shame on you.
QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Nov 8 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]9062[/snapback] Riggarob: How did you get by working so few hours and so few days? I worked more but, then, I was able to move out of our tent, into a travel trailer, and then a motorhome. Shame on me and shame on you. I was lucky, I worked on Nuke Subs, so all I did was hang around the water, travel the world, being away from my friends and family for months at a time, and got to be home for holidays, once. Oh, the reason I went straight to a class A coach, and not a tent was because when I got back from Viet Nam, I said I'd NEVER sleep in a tent again !!
Riggarob: My hat is off to you, and I salute you. You deserve a Class A motorhome and a Class A life after those sacrifices for your country. Perhaps Testudo will forgive you for having the audacity to own a nice coach!
QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Nov 9 2007, 10:35 AM) [snapback]9080[/snapback] Riggarob: My hat is off to you, and I salute you. You deserve a Class A motorhome and a Class A life after those sacrifices for your country. Perhaps Testudo will forgive you for having the audacity to own a nice coach! Tanks, Beastdriver ! (BTW, I lust for your coach!) h34r:
QUOTE(riggarob @ Nov 9 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]9077[/snapback] QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Nov 8 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]9062[/snapback] Riggarob: How did you get by working so few hours and so few days? I worked more but, then, I was able to move out of our tent, into a travel trailer, and then a motorhome. Shame on me and shame on you. I was lucky, I worked on Nuke Subs, so all I did was hang around the water, travel the world, being away from my friends and family for months at a time, and got to be home for holidays, once. Oh, the reason I went straight to a class A coach, and not a tent was because when I got back from Viet Nam, I said I'd NEVER sleep in a tent again !! Riggabob, Your 11/8 & 9 posts have me curious. Having been in the service (1967-71) probably around the same time as you, I wonder how you go from a tent in Nam (impying the Army or the Marines) to working on nuke subs (implying Navy). Combined with your previous post, another implied part of the story is that you were in the military for those 30 years. Having been there, I know some navy people saw significant shore duty in Nam and I also know that some people switch services during their military careers. If this is too intrusive, I apologize. If not, any clarification would be appreciated.
QUOTE(Jerry S. @ Nov 12 2007, 10:53 PM) [snapback]9107[/snapback] QUOTE(riggarob @ Nov 9 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]9077[/snapback] QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Nov 8 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]9062[/snapback] Riggarob: How did you get by working so few hours and so few days? I worked more but, then, I was able to move out of our tent, into a travel trailer, and then a motorhome. Shame on me and shame on you. I was lucky, I worked on Nuke Subs, so all I did was hang around the water, travel the world, being away from my friends and family for months at a time, and got to be home for holidays, once. Oh, the reason I went straight to a class A coach, and not a tent was because when I got back from Viet Nam, I said I'd NEVER sleep in a tent again !! Riggabob, Your 11/8 & 9 posts have me curious. Having been in the service (1967-71) probably around the same time as you, I wonder how you go from a tent in Nam (impying the Army or the Marines) to working on nuke subs (implying Navy). Combined with your previous post, another implied part of the story is that you were in the military for those 30 years. Having been there, I know some navy people saw significant shore duty in Nam and I also know that some people switch services during their military careers. If this is too intrusive, I apologize. If not, any clarification would be appreciated. After a 2 year tour w/ the Jarheads, I went to work for the DoD doing repair and overhaul of Nuke Subs for another 28 years (30 total for Uncle Sam). Basically 30 years "on the road". Believe me, I DO enjoy retirement ! Thinking about it, a lot of other people probably have the same question you have. No offense taken. BTW, I'm also a disabled combat vet. h34r:
Riggabob, Thanks for the quick reply. Now the info in your posts makes sense to me. I had thought that you might have been a civilian for most of that time but did not realize that the DoD sent civilians "all over" back then (70s-90s). I don't know how many others had he same question, but, as I mentioned, having been there I could not stop myself for asking for clarification. I was one of the lucky vets from that period who lost only 4 years of his life. Take Care. Jerry S.
QUOTE(Jerry S. @ Nov 13 2007, 01:07 AM) [snapback]9109[/snapback] Riggabob, Thanks for the quick reply. Now the info in your posts makes sense to me. I had thought that you might have been a civilian for most of that time but did not realize that the DoD sent civilians "all over" back then (70s-90s). I don't know how many others had he same question, but, as I mentioned, having been there I could not stop myself for asking for clarification. I was one of the lucky vets from that period who lost only 4 years of his life. Take Care. Jerry S. Semper Fi
God bless all of you vets! How many countries in the world can have an interest in a forum about how well wi-fi works in an RV? Remember these vets every day of the year!
QUOTE(HappiestCamper @ Nov 13 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]9113[/snapback] God bless all of you vets! How many countries in the world can have an interest in a forum about how well wi-fi works in an RV? Remember these vets every day of the year! Here, here !! All to soon everyone forgets. I can remember when I went in ('68) how many of my friends joined the reserves, so they wouldn't have to do combat. Man, that theory has taken a 180 !!!! :blink:
QUOTE Well, Testudo, I must be one of thos RVers that are "flush with cash" and are "foolish" with my money. I suppose I am also a "whiney high impact RVer" since I expect to pay for what I use, and use what I pay for. I am sorry that life has been so unfair to you that you could not afford more than a tent most of your life. I suppose I am also guilty of "sucking utilities dry" since we pay for, and use, 50 amps. There are some very good anger management specialists out there and you might.............. Okay, 'Beastdriver'... you caught _me_ being 'whiney'. My point is, though, that if somebody has enough money to rationalize paying $60 or whatever a month for some premium connection (a price which is probably closer to entry level for these services) they can afford to pay a couple of dollars to make the campground accessible to the Internet by everyone. In fact, I really doubt that very many people pay for a reliable premium service which puts most people in the same boat with me. If they are fulltimers, they might be able to rationalize a satellite connection and they might be able to connect because they are already paying a $100 or more a month for mobile telephone services. I can't rationalize that kind of monthly outlay (there is usually an annual contract involved) where I am only on the road one month out of the year. Most of the time I do without but if some RV park is going to dangle an Internet connection in front of me, they are probably going to have a leg-up on getting my business. It's just too convenient to have Internet access these days so that feature is right up there with a hot shower in my book. I could care less about big rig access, playgrounds, or 50 amp connections.
QUOTE(Testudo @ Nov 13 2007, 03:53 PM) [snapback]9118[/snapback] QUOTE Well, Testudo, I must be one of thos RVers that are "flush with cash" and are "foolish" with my money. I suppose I am also a "whiney high impact RVer" since I expect to pay for what I use, and use what I pay for. I am sorry that life has been so unfair to you that you could not afford more than a tent most of your life. I suppose I am also guilty of "sucking utilities dry" since we pay for, and use, 50 amps. There are some very good anger management specialists out there and you might.............. Okay, 'Beastdriver'... you caught _me_ being 'whiney'. My point is, though, that if somebody has enough money to rationalize paying $60 or whatever a month for some premium connection (a price which is probably closer to entry level for these services) they can afford to pay a couple of dollars to make the campground accessible to the Internet by everyone. In fact, I really doubt that very many people pay for a reliable premium service which puts most people in the same boat with me. If they are fulltimers, they might be able to rationalize a satellite connection and they might be able to connect because they are already paying a $100 or more a month for mobile telephone services. I can't rationalize that kind of monthly outlay (there is usually an annual contract involved) where I am only on the road one month out of the year. Most of the time I do without but if some RV park is going to dangle an Internet connection in front of me, they are probably going to have a leg-up on getting my business. It's just too convenient to have Internet access these days so that feature is right up there with a hot shower in my book. I could care less about big rig access, playgrounds, or 50 amp connections. OK, BUT, a lot of us spend 4 to 8 months out, so, big rig access, and 50 amps, are right up there w/ internet access.
QUOTE(riggarob @ Nov 9 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]9077[/snapback] QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Nov 8 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]9062[/snapback] Riggarob: How did you get by working so few hours and so few days? I worked more but, then, I was able to move out of our tent, into a travel trailer, and then a motorhome. Shame on me and shame on you. I was lucky, I worked on Nuke Subs, so all I did was hang around the water, travel the world, being away from my friends and family for months at a time, and got to be home for holidays, once. Oh, the reason I went straight to a class A coach, and not a tent was because when I got back from Viet Nam, I said I'd NEVER sleep in a tent again !! I mostly camped overseas so, as little as I camped in the U.S., it didn't make economic sense to own an RV. One thing about doing something the same way for years, though, you get good at it. I would still be camping in the tent except that I only camp in the U.S. now and the heat and humidity was getting to me. The RV was all about the air conditioner [grin!]. It surprises me how many people think nothing of completely wiping out their savings to buy a big RV. Even worse, as I have gotten to know people in the RV community that are obviously very smart (so they should know better), I'm surprised how many have purchased expensive RVs that are 100% financed (probably because they had no savings in the first place).
It surprises me how many people think nothing of completely wiping out their savings to buy a big RV. Even worse, as I have gotten to know people in the RV community that are obviously very smart (so they should know better), I'm surprised how many have purchased expensive RVs that are 100% financed (probably because they had no savings in the first place). [/quote] I know this is getting WAY off topic, BUT, I have had 4 friends die in just the last 2 years (2 because of Agent Orange complications) They were all in their 50's !! So.....do what ever you have to do (of course this is entirely personal) to enjoy life NOW !! I'm 58, and had a chance to retire when I was 54, believe me, I took the opportunity, bot a big motor home, and have NEVER regretted it. No, I didn't get a "Wal-Mart job" to keep me "busy" either. You just have to play the cards you're dealt, good, or bad. P.S. "100% financed (probably because they had no savings in the first place)". Ass-u-me nothing !
I am sitting here at Lazy Days RV park in Tampa, FL which has fee WiFi although in the books is has the dollar sign next to it. There are 7 total WiFi connections availalbe that are fee also. I can tell by the names that most are RV's with satalittes and a network. The Flying J and TA are also included in that number. I think free WiFi is here to stay.
QUOTE(Lindsay Richards @ Nov 13 2007, 10:50 PM) [snapback]9128[/snapback] I am sitting here at Lazy Days RV park in Tampa, FL which has fee WiFi although in the books is has the dollar sign next to it. There are 7 total WiFi connections availalbe that are fee also. I can tell by the names that most are RV's with satalittes and a network. The Flying J and TA are also included in that number. I think free WiFi is here to stay. Lindsay, do you mean "free", or, "fee" W-Fi ?
Sorry, I ment FREE. I am having touble with the sticking R. I have 5 unsecured now and I suspect at least 3 are other RV'ers. Am looking at another motorhome and put down a deposit to hold it for a few days until we (that would be my wife) decides. I used to be in the deciding process years ago, but found out it didn't wok out fo us.
